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    Add CMW the Commonwealth as a NAP

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    Capin Quasar
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    Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by Capin Quasar on Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:14 pm

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    The Commonwealth

    > Note: the last reply just came in, I will not force prioritization of trades and probes are probes, if probes become an issue we will just drop this NAP as I don't want to be dealing with "I got probed last night!" E-tears from anyone...(including you guys). So even if this one passes they will give ground, or we will not carry a non-aggression pact with them.

    A vote was made within The Commonwealth (CMW) and a majority of the Members had agreed to a non-aggressive pact with Galaxy Recycling Incorporation (GALAXY).

    There are several conditions to this:

    Espionage is considered a breach to the pact, therefore rendering it void.
    GALAXY should prioritise CMW during trades.
    CMW may not participate in wars by GALAXY.*


    *Unless both parties are allies. This also depends on the Members themselves. However, we are available for hire in headhunts, given a promising reward.

    Feel free to contact the Members of The Commonwealth as we are each independent albeit under the same banner (Refer to the Ancient Greek civilisation). CMW hopes GALAXY may consider becoming allies if the pact works well.

    Regards,
    SGKion

    Capin Quasar 07.08.2014 16:33:33
    I just set the vote and will contact you in 24 hours from now with results.

    Thanks again.

    From: SGKion [1:487:6]
    To: Capin Quasar

    Thank you for the amount of time you've put into this and sorry for the late reply.

    An NAP sound like a good idea and I too will carry out a vote from the Members within the Commonwealth. Do contact our members for trades and I will look forward towards this pact.

    Regards,
    SGKion

    Capin Quasar 05.08.2014 18:51:52
    Hello,
    I am contacting you as I am a rather new player here in Zagadra, I have founded a Guild here called Galaxy Recycling Inc. To this end I feel that we may have and hold the same basic ideas towards how we handle ourselves in the playing of this game. I am focused in drawing like minded players here into Galaxy, and we are working on maintaining a more mature focus here.
    I have been focused largely on Recruiting these past (almost) two weeks, but it is time for me to now turn attention towards setting up some diplomatic ties with other groups whom we may find benefit from setting up for now a NAP. I would prefer to avoid Alliances or Ally status as I can't say that I fully know anyone here so well as to fully trust them. However as things stand I would like to ensure that the future of Galaxy is that of peace with the more laid back players of Zagadra. This will too eventually translate into a broader trade network and maybe even combat partners for particular skirmishes that will of course come into play later on.
    To fully explain my future intent I will lack the room here to describe but I am mostly skilled at games of a similar nature as this and wish to get this ball rolling well enough for some more skilled and active player who shares most of the same vision to eventually carry this torch forward. We have set up a few functions here to help players communicate, such as a Forum that has its own chat station. We of course vote on everything here but I hope to propose a vote here soon to set your fine alliance as a NAP.
    Please contact your fellow officers, or leader, and share this idea with them and then mail me back. Thanks for your time and consideration.
    -Capin Quasar
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by azshaari on Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:54 pm

    Commonwealth seems like a likeminded guild, as ours.
    I didnt have the time to post my opinion on them, but I checked their page and as some of you may know, sometimes you need partners to watch your back and commerce. Galaxy is not big nor strong enough as to ensure a powerful support network (for that we need several big bunkers at travel distances, fleets to defend partners, etc)

    Having them on our side would be amazing. You stated your doubts a few days ago Cap and I understand, you (and us all) need trusty alliances with us. I personally dont really like to probe players of friendly guilds, that kind of stuff should be a no-no, for if you need info on who's available to defend, or who are going inactive, the guilds should have contact with each other to inform of this stuff. Communication is paramount here, and probing is the very fact of displacing it.

    We agreed as we entered Galaxy that our focus can as well be fleeting and crashing, but, as you also think, fleeting should be used against the real douches of the universe, those who dont give a damn on who they step on. Commonwealth has the potential to be a threat, but ensuring good communication goes a long way.


    Maybe we can do a vote on the general comms policy of Galaxy, so it encourages talking to other NAPs and friendly alliances about stuff rather than just harrassing them in a passive-agressive kinda way.


    just my 2cents on it x)
    salutations cap, thanks for posting such complete diplomacy reports, its really appreciated c:
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by Capin Quasar on Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:26 am

    It is my duty and pleasure Aszhaari,

    There have been a few cases that I lost a reply but this will I hope document my actions taken. Some of this will give you a feel as well as it does for me what their leaders mindset is.

    CMW is being a bit difficult with the fine points here. Not a big deal and honestly I love seeing someone haggle these points it shows they care and like me get into this overlooked often times aspect of the underlying diplomacy game.

    I declined his points and I expect him to haggle me again. Or maybe just drop this. At which point I will offer to place a Ban on our members sending a probe their way. Meaning that I will make sure one probe will slide if they get or we get probbed a few times by the same guy then we can deal with it by diplomacy (Talking it out) before they or we just scrap the whole NAP deal. Like mature adults.

    One probe means nothing. I often send one by complete mistake as the damn mail button is right next to it (probe button). Oh well you know. It is the guys who probe you every day or every other that have plots they are hatching or in some cases are paranoid of you.. I have a plan to post something more on this already as I really have fun with these Probe happy sorts.

    If I took his offer as it stands it would last a day or two.. Seriously I got probed by a [bsg] guy next door a system or two the very day after we set a NAP in place with them. I think by the end of the mail I sent him we both got a good laugh and life goes on.

    I honestly can't and wont enforce anything that I just logically see being out of my hands. Players will forget that we have a nap and they just may send a probe (like me accidentally even) then what I get a big mail spam over this issue and threats of a NAP that was breached? worse they ask me to kick that player out or tell me "Well you better have a talk with him!"

    Forget all that mate.. I am setting up what NAPs I have to protect these guys from you. Not so much vice versa. Our newest members and slow builders yes them as well. There are other fish out there some much bigger or smaller more streamlined and far more of a threat. If they (CMW) stands by their external page blurb then they should welcome even a basic threadbare NAP with us. Concessions and fine print should be worked in later as we build a relationship. Balancing the whole deal on the fragile point of one probe going wrong is not a secure foundation.

    I will bend if this is the will of the majority to accept under such circumstances. However I am not talking about the majority being 8 voters.

    This is just my view and the direction in which I am thinking here and appreciate you getting involved here. I am glad some one is serious enough about this stuff that I know they are watching my back and looking out for the (hate saying this) "The Greater Good".  Smile
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by azshaari on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:02 pm

    Understandable.

    I think I am not the only one with those doubts. Sure the people of CMW seem organized, enough to reply to you in those terms, and with such defined articles. But that's isnt a good thing necessarily.

    Like you said, they are threading against the probing and I can understand that, no one likes to be in the eye of a potential predator, but come on. We are adults, at least we can talk about it. Im sure the people at Commonwealth are just too paranoid to be reasonable. Cant blame em, but i cant justify it either, considering what a good proxy you are in this matters.


    Lets hope they sometime need us, and actually reflect on what their policy is. It will be useful for them to be a bit more humble.
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by Capin Quasar on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:35 pm

    Okay just for your interest Azshaari this is what I just sent them as my counter proposal:

    TO: SGKion,

    As I have not heard back I assume you are still in talks or working on things. One of my own advisers has asked me to allow a change. This being that we will accept the no probes addition to the NAP pact. Under these conditions:

    • A single probe is not a threat, (may even be accidental)
    • If one of our members is probed more then once by same player they can report this and we can then address the situation by messages through mail.
    • Most important is that the NAP itself is not under threat of expiration due to a single probe or even a perceived threatening multiple 'probes' with out us leaders talking maturely over this first.
    • Galaxy Recycling Inc. will not kick any members out over "Probe" incidents.


    Again I also can not prioritize any trade partner at this time. this NAP Non-Aggression Pact is just to start our relations. Ensure that a like minded Guild is not going to become a target or enemy due to any small acts of violence on a players part. This is just a safe guard. We are open to setting you also as a Trade partner and I hope that fortune comes your way on this but as of yet I have not set a distinctive player in charge of sending Trade requests out and I myself do not want to handle that. We are a new guild and building up, and still revising our policies here.

    I would also allow that in a weeks time we can exchange a Diplomat for a 24-30 hour period. So that you may garnish a better look at whats going on here and be given a chance to make closer ties with our members and vice-versa.

    I will not be online much this week end so I still have not posted you as NAP and will not until Monday at earliest if this counter proposal is acceptable. (At least in the trade, and probe, issues.)
    thanks again,
    -Capin Quasar

    Keep in mind I may just send you as our diplomat if they take that end of my bargain. I feel this is the best I can offer them in all honesty.

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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by sickpuppy on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:37 pm

    ah teII em to go chew some wood if they dont Iike it, a probe is not an attack and happens aII the time if they are being too fussy we can make other friends not a biggy we have 50 members and growing fast u'd have to be a IittIe dumb to Iook a gift horse in the mouth
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by Capin Quasar on Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:26 pm

    Lol thanks Sickpuppy, first good chuckle of the day here. Yeah I feel this way too but with some of our members going to the darkside..

    They will come around or they wont. I myself will not go targeting them but with Galareil well.. you can bet he's the only one that's been voting these NAPs down. Still I would prefer to offer the hand of friendship first.

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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by sickpuppy on Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:01 pm

    hehe and im sure he wiII be sending them a few probes haha Smile
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by azshaari on Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:10 pm

    Copy that, Cap
    I'll be glad to act as Diplomat in your stead if you feel like it.

    Just let me know in advance and I'll take care of it Smile
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by Capin Quasar on Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:49 pm

    I will and be briefing you beforehand. I want screen shots. What I really want to know is what the hell is the difference between TDK, and CMW, that we don't even bother to discuss them(TDK)... Or why is it with 50 members (give or take).. I get 8 votes and waste 24 hours on these decisions?

    Azsh. I am going to ask you probably to scout things out more then once here before everything blows itself all to hell.
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by azshaari on Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:05 pm

    Maybe some of the guys just dont want to participate is all.
    I believe that most of the guys here, either dont want to create a forum acc due to, lets say it, lazyness, or just dont care enough about the game as we do, and just want an alliance so they have a little tag with a highscore besides their name so they can turtle in peace.

    We should implement some kind of rank for those active in the forums, to know what to expect in terms of voting quorum. 50 players total, fine. Lets get half of them as active voters. How? Make the vote something you earn via a formal post here in the forum, and that carries an ingame distinctive rank, as you said, but again there has to be something ingame to motivate and real power to be given as well.

    The partner thing you have in mind, but with slight modifications, that's pretty much it
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by MyGFisIU on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:05 pm

    agreed with azshaari Razz

    for some reason I am not interested in tradings.

    Anyway, making some changes might bring people in this forum Razz

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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by sickpuppy on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:18 pm

    if u can add a few simpIe games to the forum that might work which gets everyone invoIved http://www.coloradowebman.com/smack2.html is a pretty fun 1 had this in an oId forum on another game Smile u can see who is active in forums then?
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by Capin Quasar on Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:54 pm

    Well hmm need to think more myself mates..
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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by MyGFisIU on Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:10 am

    dang... lol i am playing that game and i just do it without thinking of anything lol

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    Re: Diplomacy with CMW

    Post by sickpuppy on Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:28 am

    hehehe Smile

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